I thought this was a good episode, especially coming after a lackluster one. When Jack turned on them in the operating room my heart really raced. Of course, he doesn't know that an hour head start want do jack-shit for Sawyer and Kate, which is a problem.
Any guesses on what Locke will see when he lifts his eyes and looks to the north?
Also, Danny said that Sawyer "wasn't even on ???'s list." Did anybody catch the name?
In checking a Lost message board, I see that the line was, "Shepard wasn't even on Jacob's list." So, the question becomes, who is Jacob? Perhaps Jack was snatched by Ben specifically to operate on his tumor, and Ben has a superior named Jacob that made a list, and Ben added a name for his own self-interest.
Yeah, that was an exciting episode, but I feel so frustrated by this six-episode mini-season. There are so many characters who've had very little to do lately. And the cliffhangers.... I'm just starting to really get back into it, and now you take it away from me--curses, ABC!
My thoughts are that the kate-sawyer mating was a setup clearly meant to lure jack out and operate. Kate has always been the best con, one-on-one, so she could dupe Sawyer (notice she never really said anything). Why would they let Kate stay out of her cage for so long? ...and if sawyer and kate don't know by now that they are being watched at all times, they are idiots.
These last few epiodes have really redeemed jack's character (in my mind) over last season. He was hero in season 1, conflicted jerkoff co-leader in season2 and started off as weak captive (except for the one one attempted run for it that ended rather wet and with him getting knocked out by someone half his size and arms no thicker than a broomstick....) but now he's finally turning the tables. He has kept his wits about him and realized most of their psychological games. He's figuring that he really has the upper hand, but he also needs the knowledge that Kate & Sawyer have about the island and their captors to make his getaway successful.
And the Jacob line is in there to make sure fans have something new to speculate about for 3 months....What was his list? Was Claire the only one on it? Hurley, Jack, Kate & Sawyer were on Miss Klugh's list which we can assume was Ben's list...but Ben was in captivity that whole time that Michael was captured, so...... maybe it was Jacob's list and he only wanted Kate & Sawyer. But what would they want with two conning fugitives? Moving rocks?
but do we need more questions? We can still speculate on why the Others let the frenchwoman stay alive for all these years...and why they let her change the message from just spouting the numbers to a cry for help...why do they have Alex and where did her boyfriend come from? I mean, just thinking about Rousseau can bring up tons o' questions...where did she get the cable coming from the ocean...what was the "disease" that killed everyone...where is she living now that she blew up her house...why did she give Ben, knowing he was an Other, to the survivors...how did she know he would lie for a long time? etc etc etc...and that's just one person!
Oh, and www.lostpedia.com probably has the most comprehensive info about all characters and episodes. You could definitely waste a lot of time here, so use caution!
Yeah, it's pretty clear that the Others let Kate seduce Sawyer so Jack would see it. But I hadn't considered that Kate was playing Sawyer--interesting notion. And you're right, the Rousseau angle is another whole can of worms. I think they let her alone because they don't need her--the Others have shown that it's only specific people they want. I think if the passengers didn't pursue rescuing Jack, Kate and Sawyer, they wouldn't be bothered by the Others.
So, I didn't take my own advice and just spent 45 minutes reading up on Lost at lostpedia. There's a link on the main page to a good TVGuide interview with the writers about what to expect and when in the Spring. They speak in generalities, so there are no real spoilers, but they address the intro of new characters, the "outside" world, Locke & the wheelchair, Jack & tattoos, etc....
This season blows. The whole series out of the water. They've already ruined plenty in six episodes alone. I think this series is going worse and worse, with just a few things so far that have been as good as it was previously.
During the episode I was thinking that the thing that would really save the whole thing was if it all turned out to be a giant con job, just like the Michael village. But more and more it's looking like The Others are your usual run of the mill villains fucking it up, laying out their plans for the heroes and making it easy for their escape. Maybe it could still turn out to be a con job, but then I hope the writers have a damn good explanation for why everything was set up like it was.
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I thought this was a good episode, especially coming after a lackluster one. When Jack turned on them in the operating room my heart really raced. Of course, he doesn't know that an hour head start want do jack-shit for Sawyer and Kate, which is a problem.
Any guesses on what Locke will see when he lifts his eyes and looks to the north?
Also, Danny said that Sawyer "wasn't even on ???'s list." Did anybody catch the name?
In checking a Lost message board, I see that the line was, "Shepard wasn't even on Jacob's list." So, the question becomes, who is Jacob? Perhaps Jack was snatched by Ben specifically to operate on his tumor, and Ben has a superior named Jacob that made a list, and Ben added a name for his own self-interest.
Yeah, that was an exciting episode, but I feel so frustrated by this six-episode mini-season. There are so many characters who've had very little to do lately. And the cliffhangers.... I'm just starting to really get back into it, and now you take it away from me--curses, ABC!
My thoughts are that the kate-sawyer mating was a setup clearly meant to lure jack out and operate. Kate has always been the best con, one-on-one, so she could dupe Sawyer (notice she never really said anything). Why would they let Kate stay out of her cage for so long? ...and if sawyer and kate don't know by now that they are being watched at all times, they are idiots.
These last few epiodes have really redeemed jack's character (in my mind) over last season. He was hero in season 1, conflicted jerkoff co-leader in season2 and started off as weak captive (except for the one one attempted run for it that ended rather wet and with him getting knocked out by someone half his size and arms no thicker than a broomstick....) but now he's finally turning the tables. He has kept his wits about him and realized most of their psychological games. He's figuring that he really has the upper hand, but he also needs the knowledge that Kate & Sawyer have about the island and their captors to make his getaway successful.
And the Jacob line is in there to make sure fans have something new to speculate about for 3 months....What was his list? Was Claire the only one on it? Hurley, Jack, Kate & Sawyer were on Miss Klugh's list which we can assume was Ben's list...but Ben was in captivity that whole time that Michael was captured, so...... maybe it was Jacob's list and he only wanted Kate & Sawyer. But what would they want with two conning fugitives? Moving rocks?
but do we need more questions? We can still speculate on why the Others let the frenchwoman stay alive for all these years...and why they let her change the message from just spouting the numbers to a cry for help...why do they have Alex and where did her boyfriend come from? I mean, just thinking about Rousseau can bring up tons o' questions...where did she get the cable coming from the ocean...what was the "disease" that killed everyone...where is she living now that she blew up her house...why did she give Ben, knowing he was an Other, to the survivors...how did she know he would lie for a long time? etc etc etc...and that's just one person!
Oh, and www.lostpedia.com probably has the most comprehensive info about all characters and episodes. You could definitely waste a lot of time here, so use caution!
Count--
Yeah, it's pretty clear that the Others let Kate seduce Sawyer so Jack would see it. But I hadn't considered that Kate was playing Sawyer--interesting notion. And you're right, the Rousseau angle is another whole can of worms. I think they let her alone because they don't need her--the Others have shown that it's only specific people they want. I think if the passengers didn't pursue rescuing Jack, Kate and Sawyer, they wouldn't be bothered by the Others.
So, I didn't take my own advice and just spent 45 minutes reading up on Lost at lostpedia.
There's a link on the main page to a good TVGuide interview with the writers about what to expect and when in the Spring.
They speak in generalities, so there are no real spoilers, but they address the intro of new characters, the "outside" world, Locke & the wheelchair, Jack & tattoos, etc....
This season blows. The whole series out of the water. They've already ruined plenty in six episodes alone. I think this series is going worse and worse, with just a few things so far that have been as good as it was previously.
During the episode I was thinking that the thing that would really save the whole thing was if it all turned out to be a giant con job, just like the Michael village. But more and more it's looking like The Others are your usual run of the mill villains fucking it up, laying out their plans for the heroes and making it easy for their escape. Maybe it could still turn out to be a con job, but then I hope the writers have a damn good explanation for why everything was set up like it was.
Yeah, I think Count is bringing up questions that the writers have already forgotten about. :-(
Aye, Lost is lost.
Couldn't resist.
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