Gone Elsewhere has gone elsewhere
by Nick
All right, people, I was emailing Brian about this and he was all right with it. We'll see how it works out.
As I told him; I was just checking out Wordpress, since no one was willing to do or say anything about whether or not to move to a new spot, when I inadvertedly reserved the "goneelsewhere" address there, and apparently now I can't take it back. This of course was a fucked up thing of me to do, so of course I thought, what the hell, let's see how much more damage I can do.
I've only been playing around with it for two hours or so and I have to say it's quite a bit better than Blogger from what I can surmise. It's more complicated, sure, and if we want to do any grand changes to it we'll have to pay money and learn CSS coding, but even the little stuff so far is better than what we have on Blogger. I think. I don't know. I still haven't found a way to get a sidebar for latest comments. Maybe that's one of those things we have to pay for.
But the fact that I could just import practically our entire blog over in less than five minutes is pretty cool.
Anyway, so after my screw up, of which I tried to do the best I could, I mailed Brian, asking if I should kill it or not (and if I did that specific address would be lost without way of getting it back), since if he's all right with it (him being unofficial copyright holder of the name and all) then I guess that that's all right then.
I think that if we gave this thing a shot it could turn out better and a cooler place to post stuff than the one we're using now. Anyway, you guys be the judge, but keep in mind that I don't know what I'm doing, and I've only been doing that for around two hours. A lot of stuff can be changed.
But to do so, you guys have to join Wordpress (you don't have to get a blog there to do so, by the way) and then mail me at kockum (*at*) gmail (*dot*) com, so i can send invites for you to do damage.
There are four options here; either I make you an administrator, editor, author or contributor. It's up to each of you to judge if you wanna help out structuring the site and editing posts/comments and so on. I don't know what the specific differences between them are, though. I suppose we could make all of you administrators in a spirit of democracy, but democracy has it's faults as well. Some might be comfortable just posting a review or news item from time to time.
Speaking of that, I don't think I'm alone in thinking that there are some setbacks to having a blog from having a forum. Reviewing and longer thoughts and articles work better than before on the old forums, but random bullshit less so. Blogs are so serious.
My suggestion would be having both a blog and a forum. Problem is I know even less about setting up a forum than I do a blog. If someone else knows more, speak out, man. I remember our old administrator Brian (Walker) offered to help us if we decided to set up one. Anyone feel we should get in touch with him, or could we handle such a thing by ourselves?
Anyway, here's the address for the Wordpress blog in progress:
Let me know what you all think, without saying 'it looks nice'. Some proper constructive criticism so we can make it a smooth place to hang out.
This blog hasn't always been as active as it was those first two months of March and April 2006, but nonetheless we've managed to post more than 340 posts and logged in over 2000 comments to those posts, and lately activity has been pretty good. Let's hope we can continue doing that in a potentially spiffier place.
As I told him; I was just checking out Wordpress, since no one was willing to do or say anything about whether or not to move to a new spot, when I inadvertedly reserved the "goneelsewhere" address there, and apparently now I can't take it back. This of course was a fucked up thing of me to do, so of course I thought, what the hell, let's see how much more damage I can do.
I've only been playing around with it for two hours or so and I have to say it's quite a bit better than Blogger from what I can surmise. It's more complicated, sure, and if we want to do any grand changes to it we'll have to pay money and learn CSS coding, but even the little stuff so far is better than what we have on Blogger. I think. I don't know. I still haven't found a way to get a sidebar for latest comments. Maybe that's one of those things we have to pay for.
But the fact that I could just import practically our entire blog over in less than five minutes is pretty cool.
Anyway, so after my screw up, of which I tried to do the best I could, I mailed Brian, asking if I should kill it or not (and if I did that specific address would be lost without way of getting it back), since if he's all right with it (him being unofficial copyright holder of the name and all) then I guess that that's all right then.
I think that if we gave this thing a shot it could turn out better and a cooler place to post stuff than the one we're using now. Anyway, you guys be the judge, but keep in mind that I don't know what I'm doing, and I've only been doing that for around two hours. A lot of stuff can be changed.
But to do so, you guys have to join Wordpress (you don't have to get a blog there to do so, by the way) and then mail me at kockum (*at*) gmail (*dot*) com, so i can send invites for you to do damage.
There are four options here; either I make you an administrator, editor, author or contributor. It's up to each of you to judge if you wanna help out structuring the site and editing posts/comments and so on. I don't know what the specific differences between them are, though. I suppose we could make all of you administrators in a spirit of democracy, but democracy has it's faults as well. Some might be comfortable just posting a review or news item from time to time.
Speaking of that, I don't think I'm alone in thinking that there are some setbacks to having a blog from having a forum. Reviewing and longer thoughts and articles work better than before on the old forums, but random bullshit less so. Blogs are so serious.
My suggestion would be having both a blog and a forum. Problem is I know even less about setting up a forum than I do a blog. If someone else knows more, speak out, man. I remember our old administrator Brian (Walker) offered to help us if we decided to set up one. Anyone feel we should get in touch with him, or could we handle such a thing by ourselves?
Anyway, here's the address for the Wordpress blog in progress:
Let me know what you all think, without saying 'it looks nice'. Some proper constructive criticism so we can make it a smooth place to hang out.
This blog hasn't always been as active as it was those first two months of March and April 2006, but nonetheless we've managed to post more than 340 posts and logged in over 2000 comments to those posts, and lately activity has been pretty good. Let's hope we can continue doing that in a potentially spiffier place.
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Is this all because jaydro got his RSS boxers in an autofeed bunch?
Maybe, but things got straightened out with the RSS feed for comments from blogger/blogspot, so I was no longer agitating.
I'm going to have be convinced about WordPress. I tried doing my "Countrypolitan Favorites" post at both Vox (where it was easier than here) and WordPress (where it was so hard to insert an image that I gave up and never posted).
At least WordPress does have an RSS feed for comments, unlike Vox. But Vox does have an interesting group blog, where someone like, uh, Jackrabbit could have their own blog and then designate certain posts for joint inclusion with the group blog.
Hey, I'm just rehashing a bunch of stuff I posted back in that "Goning Elsewhere" thread.
And if you want a group blog and forums together, ning.com seems to be a possibility, but neither me nor a friend quite know what to make of it.
Looking at the WordPress Gone Elsewhere, I don't see a comments sidebar, and I see a bunch of posts with no attributions as to who posted them.
God, I hate the inability to edit comments, but that's pretty common, I guess. "Goning"? Sorry about that.
God, I hate the inability to edit comments, but that's pretty common, I guess.
One of those things I really dig about Wordpress is the ability to do just that.
I hope the inability to post pictures and such is just a question of learning CSS properly. I had trouble learning HTML in the beginning (still do, really).
Like I said, right now, all in all, comparing Wordpress and Blogger, Wordpress just has more options, even if you have to pay for some of them.
Anyway, we're never going to find out unless we try it out proper. So, yeah, it's a question of convincing everyone of the viability.
So, I'm confused--are we shutting this site down? Am I going to come here one day and find I'm only talking to myself?
Wordpress does look nice, but I'm still puzzled--it's more difficult to post there? And that makes it better, how? I don't even know what CSS stands for, let alone how to use it, and frankly, I have no interest in learning how to use it.
Also, I don't see a link to register for Wordpress. I would like to be able to post, but don't care about being an administrator.
To be quite honest, I have had to major problems with blogger aside form an occasional temporary periods of downtime. I've never experienced the problems with comments that Jaydro speaks of. I'm fine right here, and I'm going to keep my blog on Blogger as well. But I'm old and don't like change.
So, I'm confused--are we shutting this site down?
If it works better, which I believe it could, yes.
But right now, no, this is more of a tryout.
I don't even know what CSS stands for, let alone how to use it, and frankly, I have no interest in learning how to use it.
You used it just fine at the old forum, as far as I recall.
But I may have presented it somewhat disadvantageously, just to throw off potential criticism.
What I meant was, there may be a learning curve, but it's definitely worth it. There's dozens of small annoying things we get rid of there.
The ability to edit comments means more than just correcting spelling. It means we don't have to use these fucking , , HTML tags for our comments or linking anymore. They have Word-like tools for that, if you want to use those.
We can also, as you can see, categorize better.
There's lots of small stuff like that, minor things, that I think add upp to a whole lot more than what we're currently getting here.
Besides, it looks better. And we
If you just give it a shot, man.
And no one is forcing you to change from your own blog (even if that would be just as easy to do). Why would we do that?
I'm still confused--you say I used it on the old forum--you mean Poet's Corner? All I did there was hit reply and type. How would that necessitate spending money and learning coding?
I'm at the mercy of what's on my computer at work (my home computer is an IMAC from 1999 and I'm on dial-up. I don't even use it for the Internet much because it lacks so many applications). I'm just concerned that you guys will reach a place which outdoes my computer knowledge and/or software applications.
I also hope that this new place will allow non-members to post comments. We occasionally get them here and wouldn't want to close that off.
Seriously, have you been there and actually tried posting a comment? Shouldn't you do that before the worrying?
Get an account, mail me and then just try. That doesn't cost money. Just a little time.
The coding form Poet's Corner was CSS. Maybe you never inserted images into your posts. I sure did. It's easy once you get the hang of it, and it wasn't too complicated to learn, at least not more than html was.
Posting and things actually appear to be as easy as on Blogger.
Wordpress should work on most software applications.
And spending money is a very, very last minute resort, if someone wants something they really wants. And even then we're not talking hundreds. We're talking like 4 cents a day, i.e. $14,60 a year. If we by some miracle exceed a gigabyte of uploads to the blog, we're talking 5 cents a day.
Now get an account, you old coot.
I just posted a comment, and it worked fine, although I think it isn't as nice aesthetically.
What about Jaydro's concerns? There is no comment sidebar, and he mentioned that he had a hell of at time posting images.
I'll have a review up in an hour or two, and I have thus far had no problems uploading an image. You can do that as easy (plus you can edit those) as with Blogger. I think Jaydro had trouble CODING in an image. Don't know if he scrolled down to the upload part of the writing tool, otherwise I'm not sure.
There is a tool called Brian's Latest Comments which I think can be implemtented. Otherwise, an administrator or editor of the site can choose to get an email of whenever a comment is made on either all or selected articles, which I have been getting thus far.
I think it's a bit nicer aesthetically, at least on my computer. But we can choose to have it look it any which way, really.
When it comes to comments there are apparently more than a couple of options available.
http://codex.wordpress.org/Plugins/Comments
I had trouble posting a linked image, because they have a 50MB upload limit on images for free accounts.
I already had a comments sidebar on my WordPress blog.
But how do you work out attributing the various post authors? I always thought that was confusing in Blogger back when we used to put it at the bottom of the post--at WordPress it's nothing.
The author shows up once you click the link to the actual post and/or comments. I only noticed it the 3rd time I tried to comment to my post.
I'm still trying to undo what I done-did.
I haven't been given full access rights to it as yet but from what I've seen of it so far, I quite like it.
There's nothing particularly dazzling about it over this site but I suspect Nick is right in that it will be lots of little things that will be an improvement over this site.
How far can we develop the site on Wordpress I wonder? One thing I would love to introduce would be some sort of quick comment section which perhaps could be reserved for short comments about a film we've seen recently or opinion on a particular actor. It would provide continuous momentum to the site in the periods between the more substantial regular posts are made.
Somewhat ironically, I guess it would be a bit like 'The Word' that Wells introduced back on his Movie Poop Shoot days (or was it earlier?), which I thought was a great addition to his writings. Of course, those Word style short entries seem to have completely overtaken his current site but that's another story.
My resistance is entirely due to WordPress being my personal last choice of places to move to (okay, so I'm not even considering LiveJournal or Typepad). I had resigned myself to staying at Blogger. WordPress seems a little too stodgy to me. Some nice features, but it all seems designed to suck you into paying for it, and I don't think there's anything there compelling enough to make me pay for it, especially when there are so many other free sites.
Does everyone realize we can program to our heart's content on blogger as well?
Currently Brian is the only one who has that access, but there is a whole page that has the entire coding laid out and, if you have the know-how, you can change into something else entirely. It's much like directly editing the CSS of word press.
To me they are very similar just with different names for things. My only concern with moving is losing contributors...when we did the blogger switch (because blogspopt is forcing everyone) we lost 3 contributors.
And if lora and joe sherry come along our entire readership will be intact.
Does everyone realize we can program to our heart's content on blogger as well?
But can you edit comments?
I know one can edit Blogger, but the learning curve for that (for me, at least) is at least as high as that for Wordpress.
It's a bit of a chaos now, even if I think it's fun, but the more time passes the more I'm convinced Wordpress is the better choice. More stuff to do and, in the end, easier ways to do that. Plus easier to do simple stuff like bold and italics. I can live without having to do that for comments anymore.
it all seems designed to suck you into paying for it
I can totally get that, and I get that vibe slightly as well. But, first of all, we haven't even got so far in trying it out. And even if we one day did reach a point where people felt like something needed to be added that required paying for, no one is by any means required to pay.
To me, after using Wordpress thus far, Blogger seems clunky and antiquated.
And doesn't Vox require that those who post there have their own Vox blogs? And teamblogging is still in Beta over there.
And doesn't Vox require that those who post there have their own Vox blogs?
Yeah--that's how team blogs work, with certain posts designated for the team blog (I think). I thought that would be really cool. Vox also has other drawbacks. I thought Vox and/or Ning might be more exciting, but they would also be more upsetting probably. (Don't want to lose Jackrabbit. ;-) )
So, it's not like I'm saying the Vox or Ning would be a better choice, necessarily, just that WordPress didn't excite me enough to make me want to switch to them.
And Blogger (Google) was getting on my better side recently with their enhancement of Picasa Web albums.
I never have gotten around to converting my old moribund Blogger blog to their new format, because I was having trouble making it look just like it did before (and my heavily-modified template came from the before-comments time, and I could never get them to work without doing the big conversion).
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UNCONDITIONAL DAMNATION
The five points of Calvinism should be expressed as unconditional damnation.
The premise of Calvinism that men have no free-will and that men can only be saved if God predetermines each person for salvation.
Calvinism teaches that men are saved by unconditional election.
The antithesis of unconditional election is unconditional damnation.
THE FIVE POINTS OF CALVINISM
1. Total Depravity: Man is totally depraved so he cannot choose or desire God.
If total depravity is true, then unless men are unconditional elected for salvation, they are unconditionally damned to hell for all eternity.
2. Unconditional Election: God unconditionally elects those whom He has predetermined to save.
If unconditional election is true, then conversely all others areunconditionally damned, lost outside of Christ.
3. Limited Atonement: Jesus died only for those who have been unconditionally elected for salvation.
If limited atonement is a Biblical fact, then all who are not unconditionally elected for salvation will die in their sins because they will face unconditional damnation.
4. Irresistible Grace: When God calls the elect for salvation, they cannot resist.
Those who are not called by irresistible grace will beunconditionally damned and will spend eternity in the lake of fire.
5. Perseverance of the Saints: Once you have been unconditionally elected for salvation you can never be lost. Once saved always saved.
If God did not unconditionally give you the faith so you could believe and be saved, and you have no free-will to believe or reject Jesus; then you are unconditionally damned. You are once damned always damned.
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